AL-02: Latest TV Ads for GOP Primary Run-off
Thought you might like to see the latest TV ads for the GOP primary run-off in the 2nd Congressional District.
Here’s the latest Harri Anne Smith ad in .wmv format. (Came out last night, I think.)
Here’s the latest Jay Love ad in .mov format. (Came out today.)
No time now for anything other than these links. Perhaps later I can see about making them more user-friendly.
Wow! I guess they are not on the Love Train or the Love Boat either!
Comment by Zorro — June 24, 2008 @ 5:09 pm
HEY MORON YOU JUST RAN A NEGATIVE AD? What a complete and total idiot. People say that Harri Anne isn’t that bright, this moron just said “Harri Anne smith is running negative attacks” and then goes on to attack her. What kind of idiot do you think the people are? COME ON!!!!!
Comment by Earning their money — June 24, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Wow, Jay great spin too bad the cell phone tax was just transferring the tax from land lines to cell phones so older people would not have to pay all the money. Also, the “property tax hike” simply made property taxes consistant in every county therefore it lessened the burden off the areas who were paying more. It cut taxes for some counties, raised it for others, and some stayed nearly the same. Also, do not complain about negative ads if your running one. Even still Jay’s commercial does not answer Amendment 1. Thats the biggest tax increase ever. His commercial at best says shes almost as bad as me???
Comment by Jay Loves Taxes — June 24, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
she started it - he had to reply. i don’t blame him. and amend 1 was the biggest tax increase ever? ummmm….it never passed. wake up.
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Jay voted to let the people vote. Is that a vote for taxes?? Most of the right wing conservative extemists (nuts) favor the iniative and referendum right. Isn’t that what Jay did? gave the people that would pay the tax an opportunity to vote?? How many statewide legislative tax issues have the taxpayers of this state been give the opportunity to vote on? Only one and they (we) voted it down. Just like the lottery it failed so it did not become a law. Again, I do not know how Jay voted at the polls but I would be willing to bet he voted no. That ad is a lie. It is a slick lie but in the end if it is not the whole truth it is a lie. Those who are saying Jay voted for the largest tax increase are also liars unless they can prove how he voted at the polls.
I am sure Bright is loving every minute of this. If the R’s don’t watch out with the negative ads that create a lot of emotion in a campaign, they are going to get their tails kicked again. Wait and see…..
Comment by poljunkie — June 24, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
Need help massaging these files into something else, let me know.
Comment by walt moffett — June 24, 2008 @ 6:54 pm
I think I hear a pig squeeeeeling
Comment by For #2 & #3 — June 24, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
At #5 - there is not one lie in Harri Anne’s ad - not one. Every point is sourced.
There are a LOT of lies in Jay Love’s ads, however, beginning with the lie that HE passed the tax cuts that were actually passed by John Knight. That one is also provable in black and white.
Jay Love is a liar. Period. End of sentence.
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
Post 8 - you don’t have a clue what you are speaking of. Throwing out the word liar enough times….doesn’t make it so. Bright is indeed loving this….thanks Senator Smith.
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
If you are going to throw it around, be careful that it does not come back to bite you in the ass.
Comment by #8 is a LIAR — June 24, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
This from last weekend’s Montgomery Advertiser
June 14, 2008
RAVE: For the Alabama Legislature, believe it or not. This editorial page has been highly critical of the Legislature’s failures this year, but we must give lawmakers credit for adopting legislation to help small businesses and their employees afford the cost of health insurance.
The legislation was pushed unsuccessfully for several years by Gov. Bob Riley and Rep. Jay Love, but to their credit they never gave up on it.
It allows business owners with fewer than 25 employees to deduct 150 percent of the amount they pay for employee health insurance premiums from their state income taxes. It also allows employees of small businesses earning $50,000 or less annually to deduct 150 percent of what they pay for health insurance from their state income taxes.
We applaud Riley, Love, the business lobbying groups who pushed hard for this bill, and all legislators who voted for it.
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Comment by #8 is a LIAR — June 24, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
#11, John Knight called Jay Love a liar on the floor of the Alabama House - and it has NOTHING to do with the bill you cite (which was NOT passed by Jay either - that one was Richard Lindsey’s so just add more lies to Jay’s immense tally) . . .
The lie in Jay’s ads were when he took credit for “the first tax cuts in 70 years” . . .those were sponsored by John Knight and as Kinght pointedly remarked to Jay on the floor of the Alabama House ” . . .you (Love) had nothing to do with that.”
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
I posted #8, and there is NOT ONE LIE in it. Danny, I think if someone wants to call someone a liar on this board they should specify the untruth. I specified Jay Love’s lies (taking credit for bills he did not pass, etc.) I want someone to tell me what in post #8 is not true, because it is all true. I am very careful about that. And I resent being calle d aliar when I post facts and cite sources.
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 8:41 pm
I guess we can SEE that Jack Campbell is BACK on the blogs calling Jay Love a LIAR!! Welcome BACK, Jack. Sorry you are UNEMPLOYED!
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
No one actually has to call Jay a liar. The facts scream that out for everyone to hear.
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 9:04 pm
The Smith Campaign’s Ad:
Aesthetically terrible! The transitions are horrible and hinder the message that should be getting across to the voters. Again, more terrible work by Chris Brown-here to ruin another campaign. I think a high school government class could produce a better ad than this one.
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 9:15 pm
Are you not able to read? Did you see the Advertiser Editorial that was posted? You can split hairs if you want, but everyone from Bob Riley to the Montgomery Advertiser knows Jay Love has been sponsoring and passing tax cuts for years. John Knight is not the best source in my view. Was Smith at the bill signings for the Income Tax Cut or the Business tax cut? Do not believe she was there. She was probably trying to figure out how much more she owes in property taxes after she raised them on most of the counties in the 2nd District.
Comment by #8 is a LIAR — June 24, 2008 @ 9:30 pm
i tell you what though, if that big ole corn fed boy in harri anne’s ad is at the polls, i’m voting the way he tells me - kid has been in a brawl or 2
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 9:34 pm
I am bipolar please dont believe anything i say
Comment by Anonymous — June 24, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
Where did Harri Anne find the people she used in her ad? Were they in ringside seats at her local wrestling match? The commercial should have Dueling Banjos playing in the background.
Comment by The Nature Boy — June 24, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
Again
This from last weekend’s Montgomery Advertiser (see last line)
June 14, 2008
RAVE: For the Alabama Legislature, believe it or not. This editorial page has been highly critical of the Legislature’s failures this year, but we must give lawmakers credit for adopting legislation to help small businesses and their employees afford the cost of health insurance.
The legislation was pushed unsuccessfully for several years by Gov. Bob Riley and Rep. Jay Love, but to their credit they never gave up on it.
It allows business owners with fewer than 25 employees to deduct 150 percent of the amount they pay for employee health insurance premiums from their state income taxes. It also allows employees of small businesses earning $50,000 or less annually to deduct 150 percent of what they pay for health insurance from their state income taxes.
We applaud Riley, Love, the business lobbying groups who pushed hard for this bill, and all legislators who voted for it.
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Comment by #8 is a LIAR — June 24, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
Here you go, embed away.
Harri Anne Smith’s ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk14UFqtKWM
Jay Love’s ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHATQGPMrlM
Comment by mooncat — June 25, 2008 @ 2:33 am
At #17: according to the official records of the Alabama legislature - freely avaialable to everyone at the state’s official website, Jay Love has passed precisely one bill during his 6 years as a legislator: a bill to give taxpayer money to retired state employees.
That is a fact.
The Montgomery Advertiser appears to be shilling for Love. Nerwspapaers do that sometimes. That doesn’t change cold hard facts.
In a truly bizarre statement, you say “Love has been sponsoring and passing tax cut legislation for years.” Say what????? That comment is not only utterly incorrect, but truly insane.
The record clearly shows Jay Love has never - repeat: never - sponsored and passed a single tax cut. He has sponsored and passed one - repeat: one - bill in his legislative career. And that bill was to give away taxpayer money to state employee union members, his biggest suppoprters.
I gave you facts, #17. You cite none. Newspaper editorials are - by definition - opinion. Not facts.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 7:08 am
I’ll do this #17. I will issue you a challenge. I am going to give you an opportunity to cite - by bill number - a SINGLE tax cut bill actualy SPONSORED AND PASSED by Jay Love. He must be either the sponsor or cosponsor of the tax cut bill.
You cannot do it because it has never happened. We both know that.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 7:10 am
Jay Love sponsored the Governor’s Small Business Tax Cut this year and he sponsored the Governor’s Income Tax Cut in 2006.
Smith voted to raise property taxes on most of the 2nd Congressional District. Tens of millions of dollars that she supported in new taxes - new property taxes - on the 2nd CD. Shame on Senator Smith, she should apologize to voters.
Comment by Get Real is a LIAR — June 25, 2008 @ 7:54 am
HarriAnne & Co, stop lying about Jay Love’s record. He cut taxes, he did not raise them. Smith has cost families in the 2nd so much in higher taxes and they know it.
Comment by Get Real is a LIAR — June 25, 2008 @ 8:00 am
#25 - you cited no bill number sponsored or cosponsored by Jay Love. You have failed my challenge, so don’t you DARE call me a liar.
Again - facts are facts. There is no record at all of Jay Love ever sponsoring and passing a single tax cut. That FACT remains. If you insist he has “sponsored and passed tax cuts” YOU are LYING.
My post is the truth. You cannot say it isn’t. I can prove my facts - you cannot.
You have a lot of nerve. And zero class.
Don’t you dare call me a liar when you can’t meet my chasllenge.
Danny - I resent people calling me a liar when I have cited my facts and proven my points. I have posted nothing but fact on this matter. Can you remove the insulting handles above?
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 8:22 am
Mr. Get Real Liar - stop lying about Jay Love’s record. You need to be working on spinning Smith’s high taxes record. A record of raising taxes on retailers, consumers, home owners and such.
Jay Love sponsored tax cuts on Alabama families for years and years. Smith raised taxes on Alabama families year after year. She should apologize and you should apologize for lying.
Comment by Get Real is a LIAR — June 25, 2008 @ 8:29 am
For #25: just for the record, official state records for 2006 and 2008- the years you lamely try to claim Jay Love “sponsored and passed” tax cuts - show that Jay Love did not pass any bills for those years. So he did not “sponsor and pass” any “tax cuts” those years. There is still no record of Jay Love “sponsoring and passing” anything other than a single bill - a lump sum payout of taxpayer money to state employee union retirees.
I still challenge anyone to show me a single other bill passed by Jay Love. Cite the bill number and that it shows Love as the sponsor or cosponsor. Those are the terms of the challenge.
Obviously I know that this challenge cannot be met as Love has never sponsored and passed a tax cut. Jay’s people above know this too. But they keep right on lying.
I am not going to stop holding your feet to the fire on this. Either you produce an actual record of a tax cut SPONSORED AND PASSED by Jay Love or be man enough to admit he hasn’t.
I won’t hold my breath. You don’t have the character.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 8:37 am
#28 - do not dare call me a liar unless you can show me what I have posted that is not true.
How dare you. My posts are true. I would not post them unless I knew them to be true.
Obviously you have a different standard.
You owe me an apology.
Don’t call me a liar again without showing me what you claim is not true in my posts. You can’t do that.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 8:40 am
Stop lying “Get Real”. Just as when someone posted here not to long ago and said that Jay Love’s first nine votes were to increase taxes - that was also a lie.
Here is the Editorial from last week’s Montgomery Advertiser in case you missed it above.
This from last weekend’s Montgomery Advertiser (see last line)
June 14, 2008
RAVE: For the Alabama Legislature, believe it or not. This editorial page has been highly critical of the Legislature’s failures this year, but we must give lawmakers credit for adopting legislation to help small businesses and their employees afford the cost of health insurance.
The legislation was pushed unsuccessfully for several years by Gov. Bob Riley and Rep. Jay Love, but to their credit they never gave up on it.
It allows business owners with fewer than 25 employees to deduct 150 percent of the amount they pay for employee health insurance premiums from their state income taxes. It also allows employees of small businesses earning $50,000 or less annually to deduct 150 percent of what they pay for health insurance from their state income taxes.
We applaud Riley, Love, the business lobbying groups who pushed hard for this bill, and all legislators who voted for it.
Comment by Get Real is a LIAR — June 25, 2008 @ 9:00 am
You have yet to cite a single tax cut bill “sponsored and passed” by Jay Love. That is because he has NEVER sponsored and passed a tax cut and YOU KNOW IT.
You are currently 0-for-alltime at meeting my challenge, by the way. I’m betting you will never get it done. It’s a very safe bet because both you and I know Jay has never passed a tax cut . . .
YOU are doing all the lying. Unless you can show me a single untruth in any of my posts - which you have been repeatedly asked to do and you have failed to do - STOP calling me a liar.
Stop calling me a liar.
You have no class.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 9:06 am
Oh and at #31 - here is some truth for you: the bill mentioned in the editorial was SPONSORED and PASSED by Richard lindsey - not Jay Love. Interested parties can find this out by visiting the official state website and viewing the official records of the Alabama legislature.
For the record, Jay Love’s bill died. He was not even a cosponsor of the bill that passed giving tax relief to a few small businesses - that was Richard Lindsey who accomplished that.
I always thought it was unchristian to take credit for someone else’s accomplishments . . .
It should also be noted that the Montgomery Advertiser suppports Jay love in the electon. Their editorial page is not a “fact source . . .” It is, by definition, OPINION. And even they do not claim Jay love has “sponsored and passed tax cuts.”
Becuase that claim is untrue.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 9:12 am
You people are showing you have no knowledge of how the government works. A minority party will never pass a tax cut, ever. They push and fight for it, then once the deal is reached where it will be passed a member of the majority party gets credit. Jay love submitted HB144 (the small business tax cut)at the beginning of the session, and the session before, and the session before. It was not until business and the black caucus struck a deal to pass the tax cut in conjunction with the add back bill(hb350) that Lindsey submitted his bill for consideration. Get beyond a 6th grade civics class understanding of the legislature before you begin posting
Comment by loveisastatesmanandascholar — June 25, 2008 @ 9:15 am
#34 they understand that, but choose to play footsy with the truth. When Bob Riley thanked Jay Love for leading the charge on income tax cuts during the State of the State, when editorials across the state praised Jay Love for passing tax cuts, when business groups and others praised Jay Love for leading the charge and sponsoring small business tax cuts, when Jay Love (not Smith or “Get Real”) was standing with the Governor when he signed the aforementioned tax cuts - those are all facts, not lies. Get Real needs to GET REAL! Come on now, where is the LOVE?
Comment by Get Real is a LIAR — June 25, 2008 @ 9:27 am
Smith is done not only in this race but in the senate if she hopes to stay there.
Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2008 @ 9:51 am
You guys are still 0-for-forever on backing up your claim - explicitly made in post #17 - that Jay Love had “sponsored and passed tx cuts.” That is a direct quote. And it is provably untrue.
Every untrue statement in this thread has been made by YOU. I know this because I double-checked my facts and sources befoire posting. And I have repeatedly ciyed sources. Your only citation has been a newspaer opinion piece that does NOT state that Love ever sponsored and passed any tax cuts.
You still have not pointed out ANY untruths in my posts, but you still call me a “liar.”
That is classless. And when you have failed repeatedly to answer my explicit challenge to show any lies in my posts, it is gutless as well.
Jay is running a campaign whose central theme is untrue. You cannot spin that away. You cannot create a bodygueard of lies to protect a central lie. At some point this will collapse around Jay love -whether it is in this runoff or in the fall when John Anzalone opens up on Jay.
Don’t call me a liar when you and I both know I have posted facts. It is cowardly and gutless to do that.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 9:51 am
#35 I have a new challenge for you-since ytou will never be able to meet the other one. You state “editorials across the state praised Jay Love for PASSING tax cuts.” That is a direct quote from you - and it is untrue.
I want you to cite a single editorial in a state newspaper where they cited Love for PASSING TAX CUTS. There isn’t any - he has never PASSED a tax cut. No paper would say that. Don’t post the Advertiser piece again - it clearly does NOT state that Love passed anything.
You claim NEWSPAPERS - PLURAL have “praised Love” for “PASSING tax cuts.” Let’s see them. I know - and you know - there aren’t any such editorials.
See, you just posted an untruth - a lie. I have not done that. You just did.
You guys put flat-out. made-up-out-of-whole-cloth lies on here, then call my fact-based posts “lies.” You are beneath contempt.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 9:58 am
after reading all of get real’s posts, i’m ready for a “your momma” or a “i know you are but what am i” to come out…are you really a 5th grader on mommy’s computer?
Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2008 @ 10:04 am
Get Real makes me laugh. I am busy calling people in the 2nd CD right now telling them about Jay Love’s tax cuts. If I get some time later today, I will post some more editorials. Getting great response from people about the tax cuts on income taxes and small businesses that he sponsored.
Comment by Get Real is a LIAR — June 25, 2008 @ 10:14 am
You won’t be posting any editorials where people “praised Jay Love for passing tax cuts” as you claim above. That will not happen as there are none. You haven’t been able to respond to either of my challenges - because you can’t.
You are full of it - just like Jay. And that message will get out.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 10:17 am
Ok fellows lets be clear. Jay Love regardless of any tax legislation he may have liked, pushed, etc. Has never sponsored the bill, period. Jay Love is a blatant liar. Someone answer his AEA contribution from Paul Hubbert (his mortal enemy?), explain amendment 1 and how he voted for each tax seperately, and explain his actions against Bob McKee if he is such a christian. Please put your heads together and respond for Jay. He is a blatant liar who is being exposed. Jay can spend all day in Washington today, its just making people angry.
Comment by Jay Loves Taxes — June 25, 2008 @ 10:21 am
How about them $10,000 that Smith took from AEA? Lets talk about that one first.
Comment by More Liars posting (#42) — June 25, 2008 @ 10:31 am
For the record, I have also posted “Get Real is a Liar” and “#8 is a Liar.”
People are upset about Jay Love spending time with other conservatives who fight the libs and cut taxes? They are MORE upset about Smith raising property taxes on homeowners. Why did she do that? I pay enough in taxes already.
Comment by More Liars posting (#42) — June 25, 2008 @ 10:51 am
#43 - the big difference here is that Smith isn’t lying to people every day about their support and their record. I would not advance the idea that Smith never took AEA money - I don’t think anyone has. But she hasn’t been blatantly lying about it and claiming the unions are “out to get her” as Love - whose biggest donors are public sector unions (see FCPA reports and other webistes for proof) -zanily claimed in a radio spot.
That is the issue here: Jay does not tell the truth.
IF Smith uses that issue - a big one - she can win. If she doesn’t, you can bet Bright will use it against Jay in November.
You just can’t scream what a Christian you are and then not tell the truth. Voters hate that and it is a huge turnoff. So far, Jay has gotten a free pass on his fibs. But Bright will not let that continue.
The lying is just too blatant. Anzalone will not miss that opportunity. Jay will eventually be called on this. It would be better if it happened now.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 10:55 am
By the way - speaking of who Jay spends his time with: in 2002 he spent a whole lot of time with union boss Mac MacArthur of the Government Worker’s Union. They were over at State Employee Union HQ plotting campaign strategy to knock off real Republican conservative Bob McKee with union money -and not coincedentally a dishonest ad campaign that told a blatant untruth about McKee supporting a legislative pension plan (this was an out-and-out lie put out on TV on election eve). So if you are implying that you can tell a lot about a politician by their associates you are correct. And when Jay ran against McKee his associates were all liberal union democrats . . .
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 11:01 am
got it. ok, great tv ad. put that up
Comment by More Liars posting (#42) — June 25, 2008 @ 11:04 am
I have a point here for everyone to ponder:
When Jay Love first went up on TV with ads, the main thrust of his entire campaign has been to claim responsibility for tax cuts - tax cuts that he did not sponsor and pass and about which there is, without question, much reason to believe that he had little or nothing to do with.
Here is the point: when the one thing a candidate cites as a reason to send him to congress is not even an actual personal accomplishment, doesn’t that make you wonder if he has ANY actual accomplishments? If he had any REAL accomplishments, wouldn’t those REAL indisputable accomplishments be the focus of his campaign?
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 11:06 am
Dear Get real…..YAWN…..
Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2008 @ 11:09 am
I would also submit that there is a semantics problem on this board. I don’t think we understand each other because we define things differently.
As an example, in my world a “lie” is something that is untrue. If something is fact-based - such as the fact that Jay Love has never sponsored and passed a tax cut - then it, by definition, cannot be a lie.
In the world of Jay Love, hovever, a “lie” is anything that casts a bad light on Jay. Truth is divorced from Love’s concept of a “lie.” So if something is factual, it could still be a “lie” in Jay’s world.
I remember a regime that had a similar idea of what a “lie” was to Jay’s. They published a newpaper they called “Truth” . . .or, as it was called in the native language, “Pravda” . . .
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 11:13 am
Sitting back, loving this. Pass the popcorn…
Comment by BrightFan — June 25, 2008 @ 11:14 am
Hey BrightFan - Bobby is a pretty good pol, and he has an excellent staff. No one is better than Anzalone. If Love’s people think they can keep running this snow job about his record clear through November they are crazy. That is why it has to be addressed NOW.
Anzalone will cite chapter and verse on all the untruths whether Harri Anne’s people do or not. That is why Mike Hubbard sounded silly when he told Smith to lay off of his buddy Jay. I don’t think Bright will spare Love the roundhouses . . .
This stuff will come out. I am shocked it hasn’t been used earlier. If David Grimes had tghe money, you an be sure the real Jay Love would have been introduced to the 2nd district in the primary.
They’ll know the real Jay by November.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 11:24 am
get real, over 27% of the posts on this thread are by you, saying the exact same thing ad nauseum. its obvious you work for either Bright’s or HAS’s campaign, otherwise you’re probably about to be fired for the amount of time you spend on this forum. give us full disclosure of which camp you work for, so those without a vested interest can give what you say a little more, or less, merit
Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Here’s more honesty for you guys. I work for neither Harri Anne or Bright, and if you look at some of my posts on these boards you’ll find criticism of both of them.
I do not believe either of them is the best possible congressional candidate for this district. But neither of them has based their campaign on untruths, as I know Jay Love to have done.
If Jay ran on his actual record and confesssed to the way he beat Bob McKee, hey I might even support him. But he is being deliberately dishonest, and that is the worst possible path to Washington.
I would like to point out that several posts back I challenged you to find something ion my posts that was not true, as you kept calling me a “liar.”
You still have nor done so. I guesxs I have repeated that challenge “ad nauseum” as you have kept referring to my posts - all factual - as “lies” ad nauseum.
I have not lied on this board, and I highly resent you calling me a liar - especially as you have not shown anything I have advanced on this board to be a lie. Not once.
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 11:36 am
Hey Sunshine (i.e. Get Real) - the Bob McKee race is over - nice that you are no longer bitter.
Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2008 @ 11:46 am
July 15 can’t come soon enough.
Comment by Susan Fillippeli — June 25, 2008 @ 11:55 am
As a final thought, here is a quote from “Time” that hits to the heart of why it is important to notice - and call attention to - the untruths used by politicians to get elected:
“When our politicians try to deceive us, when they slant reality or dumb down the details, it makes us want to turn off the television and put down the newspaper. It chips away at our faith in democracy.”
Comment by Get Real — June 25, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
you’re chipping away at any attempt to be taken seriously with all these comments - you made your point 52 posts ago. And you have to get over being called a liar yourself, I don’t think it is hurting your credibility as a person - that is, unless your first name is, in fact, “Get.”
Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
Danny, 16 of the last post have been by the same person repeating the same thing. Since his or her first post, 45.7 of the post on this site have been by Get Real. Please either block repetitive post or release the IP address of the poster so we can see which staff (harri or bright) he is on.
Comment by lets do some math — June 25, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
Just wondering if anyone else noticed former House Representative Riley Siebenheiner in HAS’s add?
Comment by TLee — June 25, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Harri Anne Smith’s AEA contribution is non existant check the records.(ive done my homework) Look at her report. Moreover, your still not responding to the other things I say in my post. I will repeat my question….Someone answer his AEA contribution from Paul Hubbert (his mortal enemy?), explain amendment 1 and how he voted for each tax seperately, and explain his actions against Bob McKee if he is such a christian. Come on now I know your not going to try to side step this. Where is your answer TLee, Comment by More Liars posting (#42), and anonymous posters galore.
Comment by Jay Loves Taxes — June 25, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
I understand that political campaigns regularly cast their own candidate in the best possible light and opponents in the worst possible light by interpreting circumstances in the best and worst possible ways.
For example, Democrats do often recast Republican supported bills into new bills with new Dem sponsors to take the credit. So… some can believe their arguments that Love has supported bills that eventually passed, while others make the point with conviction that no, Love has not sponsored these bills that passed.
Another example: one side will cast somebody who voted for Amendment One in 2003 as voting for increasing taxes and somebody who voted against it someone who votes against taxes.
The other side may say a candidate voted for Amendment One because it gave the people the right to have their say on the matter and that it was not otherwise a vote for taxes; it allowed for the people’s will to be heard. They may say that somebody who voted against Amendment One was voting against the people’s right to speak on the issue, and why would that candidate vote against the will of the people being heard?
These things cut both ways. Take different interpretations, mix in supporters’ passions for their candidates, and it can be a combustible mix while the truth is often in the middle.
No one will later regret being civil and kind over these matters, I am confident.
Comment by Danny — June 25, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
[…] The last TV ad for state Sen. Harri Anne Smith accuses GOP primary opponent state Rep. Jay Love of voting “for higher income taxes,” trying “to raise taxes one billion,” and voting “for Alabama’s largest tax increase.” The specific votes cited on screen for these claims is House Bill 1 on June 2, 2003. (See the screen shots below. Click on them if you want to see them bigger. See the ad in .wmv format here.) […]
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FYI …. This is the correct spelling of “separately”. I have seen it used several times and I’ll give you a secret .. There is “a rat” in the middle of “separately” …. as opposed to “seperately” .. Thus, your spelling lesson of the day!
Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2008 @ 5:17 pm