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The House Republican caucus officially ended its filibuster of HB 350 last week, but several Republicans intend to continue the filibuster, Rep. David Grimes (R – Montgomery) has told the Political Parlor. [Proponents of HB350 say the bill makes multi-state corporations pay the Alabama taxes they have owed since 2001. Opponents claim the bill represents a retroactive tax that attempts to tax companies on past earnings.]
[Thursday,] I pressed my ‘Speak’ button along with several others and Mike Hubbard [R - Auburn] says, ‘What are you doing? The filibuster is over. We want to pass a couple of Jay Love’s bills.’
I said, ‘What? So Jay Love can get some headlines?’ He said, ‘No, it’s not just that. The Governor wants them passed.’
I am not going back on my word [to try to stop HB350]. If it was a bad bill yesterday, it’s a bad bill today.
Sounded like he was suggesting that Hubbard and Riley are trying to help Love win the 2nd Congressional District.
That’s exactly what they are doing. That’s exactly what they are doing. Maybe not Riley so much. But they want to allow a retroactive tax so Love can get some headlines. Love didn’t even write those bills. Someone in the Governor’s office did.
But I’m in good shape. The more they help Love, the more it helps me. Love doesn’t understand the [AL-02] district. It’s a rural district. That’s my people. He’s a city guy. Love was born on pillows. I was born on the ground.
He was getting warmed up.
Listen, did you know that I was instrumental in passing the first middle class tax cut in 70 years? I am going to let people know that I was instrumental in passing the first middle class tax cut in 70 years. Ever heard that before? All of Jay Love’s campaign material has that he was instrumental in passing the first middle class tax cut in 70 years. It was John Knight’s plan. Love voted for it, and so did I. Love’s bills died in committee. He gave Knight’s bill one vote. I gave it one vote. Then I guess I was instrumental in passing the first middle class tax cut in 70 years.
I don’t have to beat everybody in the primary. I just have to beat him to make the run-off with Harri Anne Smith. I’ll be in good shape.
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David Grimes’ blatant honesty shines through. You’ll never get the truth about Nike Hubbard, RINO Jay Love, or what they are trying to do and how they are trying to lie to the 2nd district any clearer than that.
Hat’s off to Grimes. His honesty in contrast with Love’s deceit might cause the Statehouse to implode . . . .
Hey if they pass “a couple” of Jay Love’s bills that will TRIPLE the number of bills he has passed in his ENTIRE CAREER as a legislator since the only bill Jay has ever passed in his life was a payout to his state employees’ union buddies – paid for by OUR tax dollars!
Here is my problem with Love: he undeniably bends the truth and may very well lie flat out. His tax cut claims are very weak but he has made them the centerpiece of his campaign, while ignoring his far more prodigious actual record as a leading supporter of tax increases.
In short, his campaign deliberately misleads. And from lots of other eveidence, his whole original campaign for the state legislature was also predicated on lies.
It’s like this: he hides his donors; he hides his tax hiking record; he makes highly misleading claims about himself. That is untrustworthy. He doesn’t belong in Congress. Maybe his buddy Dick Brewbaker can put him to work on his used-car lot.
Grimes is only showing the tip of the iceberg here. What Hubbard/Love actually did is far more sinister.
Mike Hubbard cut a deal with Dr.Paul Hubbert: the GOP would let an enormous tax hike on business pass (HB 350) in return for Richard lindsey and Dr. Hubbert allowing Jay Love’s dinky bill HB 144 out of committee – it is a little bit of money away from Dr. Hubbert replaced by the huge windfeall of HB 350’s tax hikes.
There has been collusion aplenty on this one, with Mike Hubbard leading the sellout to help his buddy Jay – at a cost of whopping increased taxes to taxpaying businesses.
Love and Hubbard – to attempt to win an election – have sold businesses down the river to Paul Hubbert. It is sickening – and the truth. Stay tuned for more.
I have a new nickname for Jay Love:
Jay Isuzu
If Grimes could just show up and vote every once in a while he might have more credibility. Since he is absent from voting over 70% of the time I cannot imagine he has ever been at his seat for someone to tell him how to vote.
Hubbard was asking what he was doing because he was shocked to see Grimes at his desk.
Nice deflection there! As far as credibility . . .Jay Isuzu is not exactly credibility king . . .and now he and his cohorts want to hike taxes so he can claim to have passed a bill . . .
David Grimes is honest. That is unassailable. Jay Love has lied repeatedly in public life starting with a deceitful campaign in 2002 against Bob McKee. That is proven. Look at his hiding of donors from his own constituents. That is dishonest.
I will go with honesty and Grimes. Just look at how Love and his people are serving their own interests over business right this second.
Looks like a bunch of bad candidates.
He might be honest, but he doesn’t honestly earn his check. He is paid to be in the chambers and vote, not get frustrated and go to his office to pout.
Dear #6, I don’t have the slightest idea of where you got it that David Grimes missed 70% of the chamber votes. That is simply rediculous an untrue! He/I has/have not missed votes!
Dear # 12, I have no ideaq where this “frustrated” talk is coming from. I have not heard it or read it until today. Now that’s frustrating!
FWIW, Greg Wren (R – Montgomery) also voted another’s machine that morning – even when Rule 32 was in force and contrary to the absent legislator’s wishes. David Grimes (R – Montgomery) had stepped out of the chamber (he was “frustrated,” he told the Parlor), when a vote for the BIR on HB 274 came up. (The BIR vote determines if the bill has enough votes to be brought to the floor before the budget is passed. Failing to pass the BIR vote typically kills a bill.) According to Grimes, Greg Wren tried to help Grimes by voting Grimes’ machine ‘No’ even though Grimes actually intended to vote ‘Yes’ on the BIR.
So before you get on your posing as a candidate, you should read up. I would hope that the real Rep. Grimes proofreads.
David Grimes is the exception rather than the rule in our out-of-control legislature. Thank God someone can finally answer questions honestly and be so candid.
stay tuned for the “honesty” in his answers.
If Grimes had alot of money to tell his story he might have a chance.
There is a reason he is unable to raise money…
Hey earning, none of the candidates have raised a substantial amount of money. Most of the money spent has been the candidates’ own money. Love has been raising money for a long time and he hasn’t rasied much over what he has put in. Smith did do pretty good at one fund raiser, but at that time she was Dothan’s candidate and they were supporting their candidate just to beat the candidate from up north. I think Smith’s supporters would write checks to someone else now if they had to do it over again.
[...] Regarding the post in which Rep. David Grimes recounted an exchange on the House floor with House Minority Leader Mike Hubbard relating to a filibuster over HB350, Rep. Hubbard states that there was no “conversation.” “I [Hubbard] just asked him if his light was on. He said ‘yes’ and I said ‘OK.’” [...]
is the reason Grimes can’t raise money related to the reasons Love, Woods, and Schmidtke can’t raise money?
Grimes raised a whooping 16,000 dollars, throughout the entire campaign. Jay Love’s lackluster last quarter raised almost 3 times that amount. Everyone else is raising money, Grimes gets on a debate and complains that FEC rules keep him from raising money. There is a difference in being unable to raise money and unable to raise large amounts of money.
Grimes only raised money for about 6 weeks. He started from scratch after a lot of the normal donors had been hit-up by other candidates. Your statment really begs the question “Why didn’t Love raise more since he whad been campaigning the entire 3 months and has been doing so for 9 months or more.”
I am not making a case for anyone. I am just saying that none of the candidates are raising the amount of money that any of them would be if it were a one or two horse race.
These are the facts (I will entertain yours if presented) 1. People are not giving as readily or as much because of the economy. 2. Having as many viable candidates in the race as we do, some people are not giving at all. They want to see who makes the run-off and/or general. 3. In my opinion it would be easier to raise money if you could tell people that you already had $200,000 or $300,000 in the coffers, even if it were your own money.
Harri Anne Smith is now having trouble raising money after early success because she fooed in her nest. She made her political base in Houston County furious because she tried to sit on the fense and play both sides of the gambling issue connected with the proposed Country Crossing entertainment center in Dothan. First she filed a bill that would have supported gambling and it was sent to her Local Legislative Committee #1. That became too close for comfort so she took the unheard of step of asking the President of the Senate to move it to another committee. This made the other side very angry. Then like a cat on a hot tin roof, she withdrew her own bill. No wonder they are call her Harri Houdini in Dothan. “Now you see it, now you don’t,” is the saw in Wiregrass bars and lounges.
That’s garbage about her having trouble raising money. She had a funder in Montgomery that raised almost as much as Love’s first one back in November. So don’t spread untruth. You can discredit a post with good info in it if you overreach. She may have some problems, but fundraising isn’t one of them.
It is a problem now. She doesn’t even know the rules of the Senate. You cannot PULL a bill once it has been submitted. In fact the bill passed the committe on Thursday. It still may die, but her Dothan backers (who happen to be investors in Country Crossing) are P Oed. Do we want someone representing our district who doesn’t even understand the rules? It is not that hard.
Big Al you don’t have a clue what you are speaking of if you think Smith’s backers are investors in CC. It is just the opposite buddy. But you are correct that she has made everyone, on both sides of the issue, pissed.
BJ you don’t have a clue. Go down there and find out.
And by the way BUDDY, answer the question, do you want someone representing you who doesn’t even know the rules? She certainly has had time to learn them. Also, reports are that she was walking the halls bawling on Thursday. How is that for representation.
As an addition to the HA Smith doesn’t know what she is doing list read #99 and check it out
http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/04/29/smith-leaves-morning-forum-early/