Comments on: HD 12: Who Had a Good Night? http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/ & Home of Lawn Mower Repair Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:39:37 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jeff Vreeland http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17337 Jeff Vreeland Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:58:36 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17337 Valid points Danny. I read it differently and that it was more of an attack on Chris than a highlight of the election. Please forgive me jumping to a conclusion on that. Valid points Danny.

I read it differently and that it was more of an attack on Chris than a highlight of the election.

Please forgive me jumping to a conclusion on that.

]]> By: Danny http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17324 Danny Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:37:14 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17324 Hi Jeff, nice to see you around. To your question... Expectations for the GOP in HD 12 were huge. I heard of GOP'ers talking about winning by 10 points, even guaranteeing a victory. There had been a lot of talk about taking over the legislature in 2010, and this was seen as a Republican-lean seat that was going to be a first step. GOP'ers would tell you that. Chris Brown has built a good reputation by winning some big races, some races that his candidates were not expected to win. When you have been a part of winning races that you're expected to lose, it's a bad night when your candidate loses a race that people expect him to win. In sports, great teams have bad nights. I am not dismissing any success he has had over the last 18 months. I am saying he had a bad night. (I'd be surprised if you could find anybody who said he had a <i>good</i> night.) And to your last question, certainly Chris hasn't done anything to upset me. Hi Jeff, nice to see you around.

To your question…

Expectations for the GOP in HD 12 were huge. I heard of GOP’ers talking about winning by 10 points, even guaranteeing a victory. There had been a lot of talk about taking over the legislature in 2010, and this was seen as a Republican-lean seat that was going to be a first step. GOP’ers would tell you that.

Chris Brown has built a good reputation by winning some big races, some races that his candidates were not expected to win.

When you have been a part of winning races that you’re expected to lose, it’s a bad night when your candidate loses a race that people expect him to win.

In sports, great teams have bad nights. I am not dismissing any success he has had over the last 18 months. I am saying he had a bad night. (I’d be surprised if you could find anybody who said he had a good night.)

And to your last question, certainly Chris hasn’t done anything to upset me.

]]> By: Farmer http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17213 Farmer Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:08:39 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17213 Was it Chris or was it ALFA's "we don't really care who wins" campaign strategy that lost the race? Was it Chris or was it ALFA’s “we don’t really care who wins” campaign strategy that lost the race?

]]> By: Jeff Vreeland http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17189 Jeff Vreeland Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:13:19 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17189 Danny - can you go into more discussion on your reason of why Chris Brown had a bad night? I agree with you that he is/was dissappointed because his client lost, but lumping him into the mix of others I feel needs to be explained more. To me (and you can correct me if I am wrong here) you are singleing out a consultant who has had a great amount of success over the last 18 months because of a single loss? Has Chris done something to upset you that is causing you to single him out? Danny – can you go into more discussion on your reason of why Chris Brown had a bad night?

I agree with you that he is/was dissappointed because his client lost, but lumping him into the mix of others I feel needs to be explained more.

To me (and you can correct me if I am wrong here) you are singleing out a consultant who has had a great amount of success over the last 18 months because of a single loss? Has Chris done something to upset you that is causing you to single him out?

]]> By: SamfordDem http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17155 SamfordDem Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:12:07 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17155 Alabama is a different kind of state. The Alabama Democratic Party knows how to win the votes of socially conservative voters who are likely Republican voters in Presidential elections. Also, the AEA is stronger, better organized, and more respected than many other unions in the South. Hubbard and co. don't realize that nearly half the AEA's membership votes Republican in prez races. It is not very effective to use them as the villain every election. . Alabama is a different kind of state. The Alabama Democratic Party knows how to win the votes of socially conservative voters who are likely Republican voters in Presidential elections. Also, the AEA is stronger, better organized, and more respected than many other unions in the South. Hubbard and co. don’t realize that nearly half the AEA’s membership votes Republican in prez races. It is not very effective to use them as the villain every election. .

]]> By: Danny http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17116 Danny Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:21:04 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17116 Maybe it would simply make more sense to require registration with a valid email address before being allowed to leave a comment. Maybe it would simply make more sense to require registration with a valid email address before being allowed to leave a comment.

]]> By: Danny http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17115 Danny Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:02:06 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17115 <i>Comment 14 has been removed as has this response to it.</i> Comment 14 has been removed as has this response to it.

]]> By: Danny http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17114 Danny Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:49:44 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17114 <i>The original comment here has been removed. It contained what is, as far as I know, an unsubstantiated assertion of a potentially defamatory nature. Even if the comment were true, I do not understand what it adds to a discussion on politics and policy. If the commenter would like to <a href="http://www.politicalparlor.net/contact/" rel="nofollow">contact me</a>, substantiate the comment, and make the case that it is relevant to a discussion on Alabama politics and policy, I am willing to listen. I do not enjoy being on the slippery slope of policing comments. When in doubt, let's err on the side of civility.</i> The original comment here has been removed.

It contained what is, as far as I know, an unsubstantiated assertion of a potentially defamatory nature. Even if the comment were true, I do not understand what it adds to a discussion on politics and policy.

If the commenter would like to contact me, substantiate the comment, and make the case that it is relevant to a discussion on Alabama politics and policy, I am willing to listen.

I do not enjoy being on the slippery slope of policing comments.

When in doubt, let’s err on the side of civility.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17107 Anonymous Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:31:43 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17107 #14, Please knock it off with the anonymous defamatory comments. I hate it that Chris's candidates keep beating yours in run-offs, but come on. Keep it professional. Don't make it so personal. #14,

Please knock it off with the anonymous defamatory comments. I hate it that Chris’s candidates keep beating yours in run-offs, but come on. Keep it professional. Don’t make it so personal.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17101 Anonymous Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:37:57 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17101 Dan T. - Who worked on Bubba Carpenter's race in MS? Dan T. –

Who worked on Bubba Carpenter’s race in MS?

]]> By: dan t http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17098 dan t Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:34:24 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17098 Saying the GOP had a bad night would be putting it mildly. They should be ashamed to death of what happened especially compared to what their GOP brethren is doing in the neighboring states. Look at what happened in Mississippi today. They had another democrat state senator switch to the GOP today. One GOP official even gloated to me this morning in Tupelo that he's heard as many as four more democrat senators will switch by the end of this summer. Also good blue collar candidates are a key to victory as well. In Mississippi three months ago in the Iuka area. The GOP nominated an EMT medic for State House District 1. No one gave Mr Carpenter a chance....100 people voted in the GOP primary last year compared to 5,000 for the Dems in that district. But he got out there worked hard and when November rolled around he knocked off a longtime Democrat State Rep and became the first ever GOPer to win an office in that district. In Tennessee back in '02 people laughed when a small town country doctor named Joey Hensley ran a write in campaign as a GOPer against a well entrenched democrat incumbent state rep. Just three years earlier the GOP held a FREE dinner in that district and only FOUR people showed up. But Dr Hensley went out knocked on doors and worked hard and won and he has been re-elected ever since with over 60% of the vote. They also knocked off the 36 YEAR INCUMBENT DEMOCRAT LT GOVERNOR ONE YEAR AGO THIS MONTH in Tennessee. In Louisianna a few weeks ago the GOP won the State House Speakers race for the first time. State Rep Jim Tucker is the first conservative GOPer to ever hold that post in Louisianna. The GOP in Georgia has picked up THIRTY FIVE seats in the Georgia State House since 2002. But its just one failure after another for Hubbard and his gang down in Montgomery. Turnham and the AEA folks must love dealing with Hubbard. Saying the GOP had a bad night would be putting it mildly. They should be ashamed to death of what happened especially compared to what their GOP brethren is doing in the neighboring states. Look at what happened in Mississippi today. They had another democrat state senator switch to the GOP today. One GOP official even gloated to me this morning in Tupelo that he’s heard as many as four more democrat senators will switch by the end of this summer. Also good blue collar candidates are a key to victory as well. In Mississippi three months ago in the Iuka area. The GOP nominated an EMT medic for State House District 1. No one gave Mr Carpenter a chance….100 people voted in the GOP primary last year compared to 5,000 for the Dems in that district. But he got out there worked hard and when November rolled around he knocked off a longtime Democrat State Rep and became the first ever GOPer to win an office in that district. In Tennessee back in ‘02 people laughed when a small town country doctor named Joey Hensley ran a write in campaign as a GOPer against a well entrenched democrat incumbent state rep. Just three years earlier the GOP held a FREE dinner in that district and only FOUR people showed up. But Dr Hensley went out knocked on doors and worked hard and won and he has been re-elected ever since with over 60% of the vote. They also knocked off the 36 YEAR INCUMBENT DEMOCRAT LT GOVERNOR ONE YEAR AGO THIS MONTH in Tennessee. In Louisianna a few weeks ago the GOP won the State House Speakers race for the first time. State Rep Jim Tucker is the first conservative GOPer to ever hold that post in Louisianna. The GOP in Georgia has picked up THIRTY FIVE seats in the Georgia State House since 2002. But its just one failure after another for Hubbard and his gang down in Montgomery. Turnham and the AEA folks must love dealing with Hubbard.

]]> By: Don't blame me! http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17090 Don't blame me! Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:27:00 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17090 #13, is that why ALFA had a whole team of folks going door-to-door in the final days of the run-off? I live in Baldwin County and know for a fact that ALFA was fully engaged in McKinney's race until the end. Funny how everybody wants credit for a win and points blame everywhere else for a loss. #13, is that why ALFA had a whole team of folks going door-to-door in the final days of the run-off? I live in Baldwin County and know for a fact that ALFA was fully engaged in McKinney’s race until the end. Funny how everybody wants credit for a win and points blame everywhere else for a loss.

]]> By: FYI http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17074 FYI Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:33:54 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17074 FYI, ALFA sat out the Pittman/McKinney runoff. FYI, ALFA sat out the Pittman/McKinney runoff.

]]> By: Doug http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17071 Doug Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:50:29 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17071 "<b>Racial politics -</b> Willingham didn’t hit that issue hard . . . " Last Saturday, the Willingham campaign blanketed HD12 with two direct mailings, one of which bore the headline "There's one kind of dog that won't hunt" over a photo of a group of howling dogs. What kind of dogs were they? Coon hounds. Clearly Cullman County is beyond that kind of racial politicking, but it certainly doesn't look like Willingham is. “Racial politics - Willingham didn’t hit that issue hard . . . ”

Last Saturday, the Willingham campaign blanketed HD12 with two direct mailings, one of which bore the headline “There’s one kind of dog that won’t hunt” over a photo of a group of howling dogs.

What kind of dogs were they? Coon hounds.

Clearly Cullman County is beyond that kind of racial politicking, but it certainly doesn’t look like Willingham is.

]]> By: Joe Turnham http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-17064 Joe Turnham Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:48:23 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/30/hd-12-who-had-a-good-night/#comment-17064 Anyone read senate sketches today by hank sanders? Anyone read senate sketches today by hank sanders?

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