Comments on: The Most Important Legislative Special Election in the History of Alabama http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/ & Home of Lawn Mower Repair Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:34:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Margaret http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-17143 Margaret Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:59:59 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-17143 I should have added that no one HAS to respect anyone else's beliefs. If a person thinks capital punishment is murder, then he doesn't have to pretend that the opposite view could be correct. Do you respect a Jihadist's view that non-believers should be murdered? The same goes for a person who thinks abortion is murder. How can you expect a person who thinks an act is murder to say, "but I respect your view that murdering unborn, innocent, and helpless children is just fine." Again, I don't know what the answer is, but I think this issue is a lot more nuanced than you present it as an issue only of control over one's reproductive system. I should have added that no one HAS to respect anyone else’s beliefs. If a person thinks capital punishment is murder, then he doesn’t have to pretend that the opposite view could be correct. Do you respect a Jihadist’s view that non-believers should be murdered? The same goes for a person who thinks abortion is murder. How can you expect a person who thinks an act is murder to say, “but I respect your view that murdering unborn, innocent, and helpless children is just fine.” Again, I don’t know what the answer is, but I think this issue is a lot more nuanced than you present it as an issue only of control over one’s reproductive system.

]]> By: Margaret http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-17141 Margaret Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:50:38 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-17141 I have stated above that I am not certain what the law should be when I said that I don't necessarily know what the role of government should be. So I don't think I am forcing anyone to do anything. However, the fact that a child is alive before 40 weeks gestation is not really under dispute. Have you ever seen a pre-natal ultra-sound? These babies move their arms and legs around, they take in nutrition, they excrete waste, they have times of being awake and being asleep, etc. The question is not whether they are alive. The question is whether the rights of privacy of the mother super-cede the rights of a child because he is still in her womb. BTW, the government forces all sorts of stuff on us and there are groups trying to force all sorts of new stuff on us. I think it is interesting that this issue gets such special wording as "choice." Aren't all the issues really about choice? The choice to bear arms, the choice to use drugs, the choice to have an abortion, etc. I have stated above that I am not certain what the law should be when I said that I don’t necessarily know what the role of government should be. So I don’t think I am forcing anyone to do anything. However, the fact that a child is alive before 40 weeks gestation is not really under dispute. Have you ever seen a pre-natal ultra-sound? These babies move their arms and legs around, they take in nutrition, they excrete waste, they have times of being awake and being asleep, etc. The question is not whether they are alive. The question is whether the rights of privacy of the mother super-cede the rights of a child because he is still in her womb. BTW, the government forces all sorts of stuff on us and there are groups trying to force all sorts of new stuff on us. I think it is interesting that this issue gets such special wording as “choice.” Aren’t all the issues really about choice? The choice to bear arms, the choice to use drugs, the choice to have an abortion, etc.

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]]> By: Margaret http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-17050 Margaret Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:33:24 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-17050 Answer: abortion including partial birth abortion. Just because a child is in the womb doesn't mean it's not alive yet. Thousands of children who are born prematurely prove that life begins before 40 weeks of gestation. Answer: abortion including partial birth abortion. Just because a child is in the womb doesn’t mean it’s not alive yet. Thousands of children who are born prematurely prove that life begins before 40 weeks of gestation.

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How do you “kill an unborn child”?

]]> By: laddijones http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-17013 laddijones Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:17:12 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-17013 After having lived in this state for over 60 years and participated in politics for most of that time, I think the election of James Fields in Cullman Alabama is one of the most significant moments since George Wallace stood in the school house door. As the saying goes, "We've come a long way baby! laddi After having lived in this state for over 60 years and participated in politics for most of that time, I think the election of James Fields in Cullman Alabama is one of the most significant moments since George Wallace stood in the school house door. As the saying goes, “We’ve come a long way baby!

laddi

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]]> By: Margaret http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-16990 Margaret Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:18:43 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-16990 I chose the masculine because it is usually the proper gender to talk in when discussing no person in particular. I don't quite follow your sentence about the second amendment issue though. So should we call people who want others to have the choice to carry guns pro-choice (as to guns) too? Although I am not totally certain what the government's role should be in regulating abortions, I think the life of the fetus should have some bearing also. To tell the truth, I was stronger pro-choice until my first ultra-sound and seeing that child raised hard to answer questions about the right to kill an unborn child. I chose the masculine because it is usually the proper gender to talk in when discussing no person in particular. I don’t quite follow your sentence about the second amendment issue though. So should we call people who want others to have the choice to carry guns pro-choice (as to guns) too? Although I am not totally certain what the government’s role should be in regulating abortions, I think the life of the fetus should have some bearing also. To tell the truth, I was stronger pro-choice until my first ultra-sound and seeing that child raised hard to answer questions about the right to kill an unborn child.

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You said “If a person supports the right to choose arbortion, then he is truly for abortions”. First of all, “HE” can never choose have an abortion. If a person says they are in favor of the second amendment/ the right to own guns , it means they are pro gun rights. I think it’s splitting hairs to say that pro choice means pro abortion. No one can make anyone have an abortion that doesn’t want to have an abortion, just as no one can make anyone carry a gun that doesn’t want to carry one. It’s about a womans right to have total control over her reproductive system.

]]> By: Margaret http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-16980 Margaret Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:48:11 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-16980 I'm not. I am not really in favor of the death penalty. But I still don't see your difference, anonymous. You are either for a woman being able to choose abortion or not. If a person supports the right to choose abortion, then he is truly for abortions. Similarly, if a person says we have a right to own guns, he is said to be pro-gun. Don't assume I am totally against the right to choose abortions (as I can't really make up my mind what is best) but I think it is less than splitting hairs when you say pro-choice is not pro-abortion. I thought of another nasty ad from the last election. The Democrat who ran against Arthur Orr actually accused him of causing a little girl to get cancer. The ad showed a little girl about 4 years old in her swimsuit and made a claim that some gas station Orr has a connection to gave her leukemia. I don't think there was any basis for the claim. Both parties are guilty of running nasty and untrue attack ads and it is naive to think one party is not participating in this sort of behavior. I’m not. I am not really in favor of the death penalty. But I still don’t see your difference, anonymous. You are either for a woman being able to choose abortion or not. If a person supports the right to choose abortion, then he is truly for abortions. Similarly, if a person says we have a right to own guns, he is said to be pro-gun. Don’t assume I am totally against the right to choose abortions (as I can’t really make up my mind what is best) but I think it is less than splitting hairs when you say pro-choice is not pro-abortion.

I thought of another nasty ad from the last election. The Democrat who ran against Arthur Orr actually accused him of causing a little girl to get cancer. The ad showed a little girl about 4 years old in her swimsuit and made a claim that some gas station Orr has a connection to gave her leukemia. I don’t think there was any basis for the claim. Both parties are guilty of running nasty and untrue attack ads and it is naive to think one party is not participating in this sort of behavior.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-16970 Anonymous Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:43:35 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-16970 Pro choice means you are in favor of a woman having the final choice concerning her reproductive system. I don't know anyone that is "pro abortion". The difference is that it's a womans right to choose if she wants to have an abortion or not. Question: How can you be pro life and pro death penalty? Pro choice means you are in favor of a woman having the final choice concerning her reproductive system. I don’t know anyone that is “pro abortion”. The difference is that it’s a womans right to choose if she wants to have an abortion or not.

Question: How can you be pro life and pro death penalty?

]]> By: Margaret http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-16966 Margaret Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:09:51 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-16966 A question. How do you define the difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion? It seems to me to be the same thing. A question. How do you define the difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion? It seems to me to be the same thing.

]]> By: Margaret http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-16965 Margaret Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:08:07 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-16965 #24 should have seen the "literature" sent out by the Barron campaign in the last election. Not only did he tell out right lies about his opponent, he even sent out pictures of the man with pig manure smeared on his face. He over laid the manure over the opponents picture. The nastiest one I saw had a cartoon of the opponent standing in the pig pen squirting manure/mud out of his hands. Mr. Barron's fliers were some of the dirtiest I have ever seen. #24 should have seen the “literature” sent out by the Barron campaign in the last election. Not only did he tell out right lies about his opponent, he even sent out pictures of the man with pig manure smeared on his face. He over laid the manure over the opponents picture. The nastiest one I saw had a cartoon of the opponent standing in the pig pen squirting manure/mud out of his hands. Mr. Barron’s fliers were some of the dirtiest I have ever seen.

]]> By: walt moffett http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-16964 walt moffett Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:01:08 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-16964 Anonymous in #24, for fun look up Claude Pepper's first run in Florida, where he was trashed as a "flagrant heterosexual" and "fierce monogamist" in the democratic primary or whispering campaigns Wallace was famous for, or look back on last year's democratic primaries in this state. Campaigns are blood sports and those involved need to remember that. As an side, would recommend reading "The Paranoid Style in Alabama Politics" published in the Alabama Historical Society's journal about five years ago. Should be findable at any large library. Anonymous in #24, for fun look up Claude Pepper’s first run in Florida, where he was trashed as a “flagrant heterosexual” and “fierce monogamist” in the democratic primary or whispering campaigns Wallace was famous for, or look back on last year’s democratic primaries in this state. Campaigns are blood sports and those involved need to remember that.

As an side, would recommend reading “The Paranoid Style in Alabama Politics” published in the Alabama Historical Society’s journal about five years ago. Should be findable at any large library.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/comment-page-1/#comment-16960 Anonymous Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:31:06 +0000 http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2008/01/28/the-most-important-legislative-special-election-in-the-history-of-alabama/#comment-16960 I'm going to have to disagree with your premise that both parties are guilty of resorting to negative campaign tactics. Democrats tend to try and fight fair and square for the most part. A lot of Democrats think that is the problem and wish Democrats would grow a spine. Democrats are protrayed as "Girlie Men" by Republicans. Someone said on this blog the other day that it was "laughable that Democrats we campaiging on moral values", as if Republicans were the only ones with moral values. Now they are trying to say the Democratic District 12 candidate has something to hide or is doing something illegal regarding his campaign finance report. So what if Fields recieves campaign donations from AEA? Why make AEA the issue? Actually Democrats aren't pro abortion. Democrats are pro choice, there is a difference. If your friend had said he was pro a woman's right to choose insted of trying to parse his words,his Republican opponent couldn't have twisted his words to imply he was pro abortion. I’m going to have to disagree with your premise that both parties are guilty of resorting to negative campaign tactics. Democrats tend to try and fight fair and square for the most part. A lot of Democrats think that is the problem and wish Democrats would grow a spine. Democrats are protrayed as “Girlie Men” by Republicans. Someone said on this blog the other day that it was “laughable that Democrats we campaiging on moral values”, as if Republicans were the only ones with moral values. Now they are trying to say the Democratic District 12 candidate has something to hide or is doing something illegal regarding his campaign finance report. So what if Fields recieves campaign donations from AEA? Why make AEA the issue?

Actually Democrats aren’t pro abortion. Democrats are pro choice, there is a difference. If your friend had said he was pro a woman’s right to choose insted of trying to parse his words,his Republican opponent couldn’t have twisted his words to imply he was pro abortion.

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