AL-02 Big List
See also the AL – 05 Big List.
Welcome to the AL – 02 Big List.
 This list has been an attempt to keep up with everyone in either political party who has been credibly mentioned (in public or private) as a potential candidate for Alabama’s 2nd Congressional District since Rep. Terry Everett (R – Rehobeth) announced that he will not run for re-election.
Both parties’ qualifying period ended April 4, 2008. Three Democrats and six Republicans qualified for the primary race, and they are listed below. The primary is June 3.
The Political Parlor will update the Alabama Line (found in the sidebar) for the race, though perhaps not as fast as you like since input from a wide array of people is sought.
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Bobby Bright, Montgomery Mayor
Cendie Crawley, Dentist, Troy native
Cheryl Sabel, Alabama NOW President
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William Boyd, Montgomery Mayoral Candidate
Seth Hammett, Speaker of the House
Jimmy Holley, State Senator
Jimmy Lunsford, Troy Mayor
Gary McAliley, Pike/Coffee Co. DA
Wendell Mitchell, State Senator
Scott Ninesling
James Perdue, Crenshaw Co Probate Judge
Cooper Rutland, Union Springs Atty
Ron Sparks, Agricultural Commissioner
Terry Spicer, State Representative
Glen Zorn, former Florala Mayor
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IN
David Grimes, State Representative
Jay Love, State Representative
John W. Martin, Retired Army (Dothan)
Craig Schmidtke, Dothan oral surgeon
Harri Anne Smith, State Senator
David Woods, President, WCOV-TV (Montgomery)
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Greg Albritton, former state Representative
Wes Allen, former candidate for Auditor
Kenneth Boswell, Enterprise Mayor
Bobby Bright, Montgomery Mayor
Terry Butts, former Supreme Court Justice
Jim Byard, Prattville Mayor
Steve Clouse, State Representative
Mark Culver, Houston County Commissioner
Larry Dixon, State Senator
John Giles, former Christian Coalition of AL President
Jack Hawkins, Troy Univ. Chancellor
Jimmy Holley, State Senator
Tim James, Greenville businessman
Troy King, Attorney General
Ben Lewis, State Representative
Barry Mask, State Representative
Charles Nailen, Dothan businessman
Steve Pelham, former Everett staffer
Jim Sullivan, PSC President
George Wallace, Jr., former PSC Commissioner
Dot Waller, Autauga County Bd. of Ed.
Greg Wren, State Representative
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Daily News
By H on March 19, 2010
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Small Town News
By waltm on March 19, 2010
The Cullman Times – Tim James: ‘Government must live within its means’ - an interview
Cleburne News – Payne let go as Police Chief in Heflin – something is going on here
Moulton Advertiser – Hiker finds campaign signs
The Sand Mountain Reporter - Albertville city website defaced – Have you applied all [...]
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Legislative Dispatch
By Sen. Steve French on March 10, 2010
I wish my friend Hinton Mitchem godspeed and good luck after his retirement from public service. Hinton, on Monday, announced what many had suspected — he will not seek re-election. I remember meeting Hinton for the first time while I was a student at Auburn University. He served the people of his [...]
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By Rep. Cam Ward on March 8, 2010
 Here is a quick preview of the upcoming week in Montgomery. This week will be a standard legislative schedule for the House. We will be in session on Tuesday and Thursday with committee meetings scheduled for Wednesday.
The House will take up a ten minute calendar this week. A ten minute calendar is [...]
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Purple Dot Connection
By Natalie Davis on March 15, 2010
TOP TEN INDICATIONS OF MARCH MADNESS
10. Eric Massa inviting us to ask the 10,000 Navy men he served with whether he is gay.
9. Larry Langford hitting the jackpot 33 times in one day and not remembering it.
8. Ron Sparks being able to make payments on a $500,000 loan with an income of $80,000.
7. Artur Davis [...]
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Back in the Day...Union Avenue in Ozark in the 1920s
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Although you may think him creepy, it appears he’s appreciative of your watching the station …
Apparently Harri Anne’s introduction of a bill yesterday http://media.gatewayal.com/dea/images/content/news/sen_casino.pdf to limit bingo in Houston County is clearly an effort to stop neighboring Coffee County developer Ronnie Gilley and Nashville investors from creating “Country Crossings” in Dothan. Before I begin, M.H., please reread the text and verify that the language regresses from what has already been in place for decades and please preface that on your next comment. And in reference to your comment # 451, “I wish more Legislators were as cautious as Smith”, it has taken her a week while the Senate was in session to check with her contributors to verify her marching orders. Cautious indeed.
In H.A.S.’s introduction to the change to the constitution of Alabama, she clearly indicates that she, an elected official to the most deliberative body in the State of Alabama, prefers a Democracy rather than a Republic form of government. She has bowed to the select few in Dothan that controls the money, the politics, and a few politicians. As a second term Senator H.A.S. has had plenty of time to change the bingo law in Houston County that she now feels so passionately about. However, it was not an issue until an outside developer wanted to bring a Country Music/Entertainment Venue into Houston County disregarding the “deep pockets” of Dothan. So, who stands to loose here? A few Elite Dothan businessmen or the entire population of the Tri States area? She has demonstrated once again the puppets of politics that so many of us are tired of. (ending with a preposition intentional)
This is a true demonstration that Southern Politics has not evolved over the years, though it has kept pace with technology. Money talks and H.A.S. walks, a thin straight line. An old saying in Dothan goes: “Say WATSON, did you see the DOVE with the SOLOMON white DOWNS flying over BONDY”S with a message to Montgomery? No JACK, It was just our carrier pigeon,”
LB,
Smith is proposing that the people of Houston County be allowed to vote on the proposal–just as she voted with the previously discussed referendum, that the people should be allowed to vote on whether or not they want their taxes raised.
It seems to me that when we have an issue that affects a large portion of the citizens in a given area, particularly one in which the people are ardently divided, it should be set before the people to decide. That way we can all be sure that no special interests are carrying more weight in that decision than Joe Voter.
IMHO, it is never a bad thing when you let the people who are most affected make the decision. Too often important issues are decided by a handful of people whose interests may not be the same as yours or mine.
If Electronic Bingo is the only thing that will make this project work, perhaps the project is already on shaky ground. But, my opinion aside on this issue, why would the developers be afraid to let the people decide on the gaming issue; unless they have a strong reason to believe that it will be voted down and are trying to shve it down our throats?
Personally, I do not want to see gambling expanded in any way, shape or form in this area. I’m all for the development. I just don’t want to see it based on gambling. I think the venue can, and should, stand on its own without the Electronic Bingo. But that is just my own opinion…and we all know what they say about opinions…..
As far as this being a ‘them and us’ issue with Dothan, I think you are seeing a consipracy where none exists. Money generated from this venue would benefit the entire area….including Dothan.
LB is correct on one thing – whatever Harri Anne’s financial supporters want – she jumps. Believe me – if they were behind this development there is no way Smith would have introduced such a bill in the legislature then hid behind her statement of loving democracy so let’s all vote! Hypocrisy at its best…don’t you just love a true leader?
Dbone, I would not disgree that Smith pays attention to her donors. Pretty much all pols do. In her defense, howvere, at least we know who her donors are. She doesn’t hide them until after elections as Jay Love does and is currently doing in this congressional election. If you want a Montgomery legislator as your congressional candidate David Grimes is clearly and unquestionably superior to Love.
David Grimes is a nice guy but I don’t think he has a shot to win the ace. He waited too late. In terms of Love or any other candidate, they cannot hide donors from the FEC in this race…
But I will take another look at Grimes…I am still looking for a candidate to support.
I find it truly amazing that MH is now discussing how Harri Anne Smith wanted folks to be able to vote on Amendment One just as they now can vote against electronic bingo (maybe). If you will recall, all we used to hear about Harri Anne and Amednment One is how she opposed it and did all she could to stop it. Jay Love and others allowed Amendment One to move forward to a public vote, and now MH says Harri Anne, in her wisdom, suported just the same thing. Thanks for finally acknowledging such, MH!
Smith voted ‘no’ on all the tax bills. She voted ‘yes’ to allow the people to decide if their taxes should be raised or not.
GOPer you are more than a bit off base on Amendment 1 (and this is coming from someone who is truly tired of rehashing it). I was there- the parts Love voted for – the actual taxes – were voted on FIRST. If Love and others had NOT approved these – one by one – they would have NOT been part of the Amendment 1 package presented to voters by the REFERENDUM that passed unanimously.
In short if Love had voted against individual taxes – as Smith did in fact do -and those taxes had lost (as SOME DID) – they would NOT have had any chance of imposition on the people of Alabama. The taxes that failed on individual votes -seven of the 19 taxes I think – were NOT part of the referendum. So Love voted for those taxes that passed and Smith did not and there IS a certain, easily understood difference between voting for the taxes and the referendum. I just explained it, GOPer.
MY 9 year old can understand it. So can the other readers of this board.
In short, GOPer your argument is flawed fatally. The final vote on the referendum was for a vote of the peopel ONLY.
I am right and you are wrong here GOPer. As I stated before I know what happened in this process.
As an aside – GOPer why do you wish to keep calling peoples attention to the fact that Jay Love voted repeatedly to hike taxes. Do you secretly hate him?
this is ridiculous – those legislators that voted on the tax pacakge did not vote for taxes to be levied upon the folks of alabama without a later vote of the people. they voted for the package knowing it would be put to a statewide vote. in essence, they offered a real package to the people of alabama to vote on. and as harri anne said, important issues like this should go to the people. you are correct enough, it is easy to understand. what is easier to understand is that Harri Anne will do whatever you pollsters and financial backers ask… Principals anyone?
Still wrong GOPer. And if anyone on this board still doubts your subhuman intelligence, the correct term is “PRINCIPLES” – not “PRINCIPALS.” “PRINCIPALS” are the top dogs at all of the primary schools in which you spent 4 years to complete each grade level . . .
Too bad there is not a spell check on here. But my main point – of passing bills knowing they are part of a package that will not become law unless voted on on by the public – and allowing that process to go fwd – makes perfect sense to me. I am glad our very bright Harri Anne Smith now agrees with that. Oh wait – did I mispell forward???
Did you mean ‘misspell’?
Sorry…couldn’t resist…..(impish grin)
Here we go again. Amendment One bull&*%$. It never fails. But “enough is enough” you do seem to be arguing about someone’s spelling (and it is hard not to have a typo on here)and creating a diversion from their point. I think GOPer is correct about allowing bills to move forward that actually have substance when you know, and the whole purpose is, to put a bill together that will not pass and was never intended to pass without a public vote. And as noted, Senator Smith now seems to promote this idea. The point from GOPer makes sense in my opinion. Additionally, anytime someone talks about Senator Smith, the Harri Anne fanatics think the blogger must Like Jay Love. That is a false assumption in many cases I bet. Be surre to Cheack me spellang….
I agree with you, JT
MH, you would defend Smith if she were caught red-handed shutting the oven doors in Nazi Germany. Smith is bought and paid for. The voters in the Wiregrass are smarter than you and the whole Dothan Mafia think they are. This is going to cost Smith the seat. Not to mention do you think alot of people in Dothan don’t know Milton McGregor is also behind this effort to stop Mr. Gilley. McGregor is as greedy as they come. McGregor wants this project kept out of Dothan because it would take dimes and nickels out of his pockets. The Dothan Mafia wants it out because they don’t have a piece of it and they think they should be consulted on ALL things in advance. I hope Harri Anne gets buried in this election. It will serve her right for thinking her citizens are so stupid as not to know the real deal here. As for you MH you are simply a blind follower who appears to very politically ignorant. I apologize for the harshness of my message here but sometimes you have to call it like you see it.
On March 24, the Dothan Eagle published article about Harri Annes’s confusion about bingo http://www.dothaneagle.com/gulfcoasteast/dea/search.apx.-content-articles-DEA-2008-03-24-0012.html. She said that she was still researching it to learn more about it.
The last amendment to the Constitution was Amendment 569, dated 1993.
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/ACASLogin.asp
On April 3, Sen. Harri Anne Smith, R-Slocomb, introduced the bill on Thursday afternoon in Montgomery. The 5-page bill tightens language in the original amendment that only allowed charitable bingo in Houston County, leaving no room for bingo to be played on anything other than paper cards. http://www.rickystokesnews.com/cgi-bin/MyWeb/article_proc.pl?object=9257&category=26
So my question is, what prompted her to, out of the blue, want to change a law that had been on the books for 18 years? If she was not influenced, then what motivated her to make this change? MH?
LB,
You would have to ask Smith. I’m not privvy to the inner workings of her mind or anything else. But, it would seem obvious to me that she is trying to tighten the language of the bill so that there are no loopholes in it for some smarmy alwyer to drive a truck through, enabling the voters of Houston county to decide for themselves whether or not they want a gambling den in their back yard.
Seriously,
Your insinuations about Mafia and Nazis are offensive. But, I guess that when the only mud you can sling is either manufactured or distortions of the truth, some people will sink to any level.
i have some questions. MH do you have a life? or do you just sit here all day and wait for comments on the computer all day on this site. i am just wondering, another one is “enogh is enough is enough ” are you a democrat? i am new tooo here so if you could enlighten me but one more for MH, are you like Harian’s mom,sister,husband or Harian herself
because all you can do is defend Harian
Emma Claire,
If you would go back and read past posts, you would know the answer to your questions about me. However, I know how overwhelming it would be to wade through all the posts, so to facilitate things for you:
1) I am a disabled middle aged widow, so, yes, I have a lot of time on my hands. It’s either spend time on the computer, or become The Crazy Cat Lady…although lately I seem to be doing a really good job at the latter, as well. When you live in the country and folks know you are a cat lover, abandoned cats seem to mysteriously find their way to your doorstep.
2) In light of the above, I think that pretty much answers your questions about whether or not I am Smith, her DH, her sister, her mother, etc.
3) I defend Smith on this blog because if you look at the polls, and read what the political analysts and pundits have to say, it is obvious that the Smith Bashers are vastly over represented on this board…and if I and a few other folks didn’t speak up, the postings on this board would grossly distort the reality of the constituency…which I assume is the reason that this has become a Bash Smith blog.
4) I also support and defend Smith because I believe in her. For the most part, her ideals are my ideals. I don’t neccesarily agree with Smith on every issue. But I admire her, I believe in her, and I know she is going to make us one fine Congresswoman.
MH, the “Smith bashers” on here are Jay Love’s consultants. They attempted to do the same thing to Tripp Pittman in Baldwin County when they were losing the Randy McKinney race. Their stock in trade is to create a false impression of their own candidate (although you have to admire their audacity in presenting Jay Love as a “tax-cutter” knowing he has the biggest tax hike vote in history around his neck like an albatross) while simultaneously distorting their opponent’s record.
It didn’t work in Baldwin. We’ll see how it works this time. I will say this: this must be the only way they know to campaign as it never varies.
I wish so much that most of you on this blog would realize this race is NOT Harri Anne Smith versus Jay Love. It’s whoever our GOP nominee is versus Bobby Bright. That’s it.
1) Don’t forget that despite what most of the posters on this blog would have you believe, Sen. Smith and Rep. Love are not the only two candidates in the race. Indeed those two will probably be the top fundraisers, but I guarantee you a vast majority of District 2 Republicans have no idea who they are voting for in June. There are three other, in my opinion, viable candidates- David Grimes, Craig Scmidtke, and David Woods. There’s also a guy from Dothan…
2) We’re acting like the Democrats in the Presidential race here. The more we go on and on about how Jay Love hides his campaign donors, or how Harri Anne Smith violated unintentially violated FEC law, or how David Woods and David Grimes are rich elitists from Montgomery, the easier we make it for Bobby Bright to sail into the general election with the wind at his back. Given, Mayor Bright will have to defeat Cendie Crawley and Cheryl Sabel, but that shouldn’t be too difficuly given Crawley’s low name ID and Sabel’s extremely liberal positions. But we HAVE to unite around the nominee we choose, and make sure that we keep this seat in Republican hands. So, as tempting as it may be, try not to criticize another Republican candidate- Bright and the DCCC will have that taken care of come mid-summer.
Thanks for the comment Terry – it is VERY TRUE. Harri Anne folks on here go ape #$&% if anything is said about her and they in turn burn and trash Jay Love or anyone else they see as a threat to her. It’s out of control. I find it amazing.
Good comment Terry. Bright is the one the GOP folks need to be looking out for. It seems to me as well that the Senator Smith folks, in their zest to promote her candidacy, over do it and trash everyone they see in her path…truth be damned.
And yet the last two posts about people bashing each other have been people bashing Smith and her supporters with accusations of bashing. Thank God I don’t have an analytical personality or the irony of this would have me chasing my own tail.
OTOH, I do have a very creative personality, and a really wicked sense of humor; so I’ll just sit here and chuckle to myself……maybe sketch up a good political cartoon or two….
LOL! Seriously, I’ve been called worse than ‘nuts’ by better people. As for being Smith’s mother, I’ve answered that accusation repeatedly. I can’t prove I’m not her, but I suspect she has a lot better things to do with her time than have a battle of wits with an unarmed anonymous blogger. I’ll say one thing about the lady, she raised one heck of a daughter, so I reckon I ought to take that particular ‘insult’ as a great compliment. Thank you!
MH – you are doing your normal duty on here I see. But come on now…..Smith supporters will sling mud faster that anyone on here. Face it. I will admit that you defend her more than sling mud at others which is perfectly fine. But there are some folks out there that as was noted…in their “zest” to support Smith they trash other folks…especially Jay Love that I am sure they see as her biggest competition. Nevertheless, MH, I do respect your opinion and some other Smith supporters on here could take a little notice. Although I did read a thread on here comparing her to a Nazi, etc that was ridiculous. Remember folks, this is just a Congressional race…not the end of the world.
Thank you, JT. We don’t always agree on politics, but you are, as always, a gentleman!
Terry,
Would that other guy from Dothan be Gulf War veteran, John Martin? Did anybody hear all of the candidates speak at the AFRW Legislative Days in Montgomery recently?
Actually I heard Craig Schmidtke did the best of any of the Congressional candidates at the forum. Now let me guess, all the Senator Smith supporters will whip out their fangs and go after him.
The Smith supporters don’t need to have fangs for Schmidtke. The guy has lived in the state for only 3 years. He claims wiregrass ties of over 75 years, but that is because of his wife’s family. Also his father went to UA. This guy can’t be for real.
I heard Schmidtke at an event in Montgomery – not the one referenced below though. He was a bad joke. He was incredibly weak. He has zero chance. David Woods was pretty good; Grimes was excellent.
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I have confirmed that MH who comments here is not Harri Anne Smith’s mother.
I deleted a comment that would have been tacky if MH had been Sen. Smith’s mother and was quite inappropriate since she’s not.
Thank you, Danny. Obviously, I should have chosen a much less controversial pseudonym. I guess sometimes I’m a bit naive as to what can, and will, be taken out of context. By the time I realized the confusion over the conicidence, it was too late to change it without causing even more problems. I appreciate you taking the time to confirm the fact, once and for all, that I am not Mrs. Harris.
I was tied up today and missed the inappropriate comment, for which I am thankful. I am even more grateful that you deleted it.
It amazes me how many people are concerned with my pedigree. I haven’t had so many people questioning my parentage since the time I made a football joke and suddenly realized that everyone in the room, except for me, was wearing the ‘wrong’ colors.
That is the first time I have ever heard anyone say Grimes did the best job in terms of speakers at an event. He must have had a good day. Nice guy though – just not impressive to me.
I say we get to what is really important…making sure Bobby Bright is NOT our next member of congress.
Grimes was good that day – funny and friendly. Love and Smith were not there. Schmidtke was pathetic – kept talking about how he was running because he was “afraid.” Woods was pretty good too.
I like Woods over Smith and Love for sure. I rather have someone that has not been influenced/trained in the Alabama legislature. All this crap about needing experience in the legislature…it’s bull. Riley, Bonner, Everett, Cramer and others had zero legislative experience and they did (and are doing) a great job.
Pike County, I tend to agree that the legislature is a corrupting influence. The tricks they learn about pac-to-pac transfers and fooling voters into believing they are someone other than who they really are is disgusting. I don’t think Grimes has played that game – I know Love has (flagrantly) and would guess Smith has as well. People on here keep saying Grimes can’t win because he cannot raise the money. That seems to suggest that the candidates who GET the money are willing to lie and cheat. Maybe voters should make a point of voting for candidates who do NOT get the big donations.
“candidates who GET the money are willing to lie and cheat” ????????? again, a blanket statement with no foundation … doesn’t make sense at all .. there is no natural order to the summation … first of all, on a federal election, the only “BIG” money is a cap on contributions at 2300.00. that’s it … sure, there may be some candidates who may raise money unethically with a little arm twisting and promises .. but there will be those who raise money through many hours on the phone and much hard work … both which indicate a strong desire to serve .. not a willingness to lie and cheat
From what I hear Sen Smith has stepped in some deep doo doo. Many of her supporters are actively looking for someone else to support. Country Crossing is being actively supported by the movers and shakers down here and many are off her bandwagon because of the bill she introduced. Don’t know if anyone will capitalize but now I am not sure she will even make the runoff.
Gulf War veteran John W. Martin is looking better to me. I heard him on the radio last week. He has no big money backers, and he campaigns to people, not donors. He appeals to the veterans instead of the PACs. He has posted a great article about the bingo issue on http://www.rickystokesnews.com
“Houston County Peanut”, you are a little off base. I am not a supporter of Harri Anne but the fact is, her financial supporters encouraged her to introduce the bill. I agree with you though, that she has a problem on her hands with this one…it’s like holding a rattlesnake.
Whatever happened to William Boyd? He was talking a big game, but appearantly got lost on the way to the arena when it came time to step up.
Smith isn’t against Country Crossings. In fact, she has said that she would love to see the venue become a reality (or words to that effect). All she has done is to submit a bill allowing the voters to decide whether or not they want Electronic Bingo. Every other area in the state that allows electronic bingo has put it to a local vote. I don’t see why the people of Houston County should be opposed to having a say in the matter.
The bill Semator Smith introduced does allow a vote and that is fine. But the bill, if passed, does not allow electronic bingo and thus kills the Country Crossing project. Smith cannot have it both ways and she has taken her position. She is against electronic bingo and thus against the project. Don’t sugar coat it MH, there is no need to. In fact, when you do, you make Senator Smith look like she is afraid to take any sort of position at all…which makes her look very weak. So, I suggest you lay low on this one MH.
William,
Good question about William Boyd. He was talking up a race but didn’t qualify in the end. I never was sure what party he was going to run under, though somewhere along the way I rightly or wrongly picked up that he would have run as a Dem.
Danny
GOPer,
I don’t believe you understand the bill as written. Nor do I see allowing the voters to have a say on gaming in their backyards as being ‘weak’. We allow counties to decide if they want to be wet or dry, why not have the same option with gaming?
I don’t know how other people feel, but I am sick and tired of the government telling me what is good for me or bad for me; what I can and cannot do. I’m an adult, I ought to be allowed to make my own decisions, as long as they do not affect the rights of others or impinge on the safety and security of the country.
I don’t feel I have the right to tell people whether or not they can gamble. OTOH, if someone wanted to open a gaming house near my home, I would feel it would be an infringement on my rights for it to be opened near my residence, without me having a say in the matter. My neighbors might disagree with me and vote for it, and that would make it a little easier to swallow, because the majority of the neighbors would have spoken. But at least I would not have had it forced on me by someone who’s interests were less about how it would affect my neighborhood, than on how it might enrich their pockets.
I also believe that anytime the government promotes an enterprise with a strong potential for creating addictive behaviors in people, the same governement ought to be equally responsible for providing free services to the people who become addicted to the behavior. If the government were to push the gambling through without a vote, IMHO, they should be responsible for providing that counseling and care. However, if the people approve the enterprise, then the onus is not on the government to provide for the rehabilitation of the addictive disorder.
But, as I stated that is my opinion. I have no clue if it is the senator’s opinion.
As for Country Crossings, I think it is a brilliant idea and would love to see it come to fruition. But, I have to wonder about the backers’ timing. The economy is in really bad shape right now, and the first thing to go during lean times, is entertainment
…especially with gas prices creeping up to the $4 mark. I can’t help but wonder if the venue will be successful in this current economy, or if it would be better for the backers to wait til the economy levels out.
But, once again, that is my opinion…and we all know about opinions, don’t we?